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JB-JL vs JB-DET Daihatsu engine comparison

It's time for the famous comparison between Daihatsu 4 pistons small engine(660cc) which are JB-JL and JB-DET(JB series engine). I'm not an automotive engineer nor a foreman, so all of my comparisons are not that detailed.

*Reminder - all the data gather here are from many sources(automotive forums, websites, my first-hand experiences).



PHYSICAL LOOK 
JB-JL(top) vs JB-DET(bottom) in the same engine bay

  1. Intake - Bigger intake plenum for JB-DET
  2. Cam position sensor 
  3. JB-DET - use coil on plug layout | JB-JL - use 2 coils wasted spark layout 
* some other JB-DET engine also use 2 coils wasted spark layout.

STANDARD TURBO SPEC 
JB-JL turbo(top) vs JB-DET turbo(bottom)
 JB-JL turbo
- RHF3 VQ29 
- RHF3 VQ27

JB-DET turbo
- RHF3 VQ37 twin scroll
- RHF3 VQ42

 * This is all I've got, maybe got some others more. 

 ENGINE INTERNAL
JB-DET(left) vs JB-JL(right) - different cant be seen by this picture
There is not much of a different between JB-DET engine internal and JB-JL engine internal except compression ratio and peoples said that JB-DET engine conrod built with much more stronger materials. Peoples also said that JB-DET conrod is slightly bigger and thicker than JB-JL.  

ENGINE SPEC 
- Daihatsu L9 turbo engine spec(jb-det)
- Daihatsu L5 turbo engine spec(jb-jl)
You can download the Microsoft Excel file format below
Click here to download HERE

Okay, that concludes all of my findings about these JB series engine comparisons. These findings help me a little bit on making a decision to bought JB-DET engine over JB-JL engine after my old JB-JL engine blown. JB-DET is an improvement over the previous model which is JB-JL, and also to solve JB-JL minor reliability issues.

 Tomorrow will be a new post about my engine conversion update. If I'm not lazy




















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48 Responses to "JB-JL vs JB-DET Daihatsu engine comparison"

  1. x3BurNFire29 September 2015 at 05:48

    What is the RPM that a standard RHF3 started to spool? If it is fully tuned, what is the RPM that the fully tuned RHF3 started to spool to create a boost?

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    1. Rizuan5 January 2016 at 17:34

      around 2k rpm rhf3 spool giving boost already.what do u mean by fully tuned rhf3?

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    2. x3BurNFire20 January 2016 at 10:58

      I mean, what is the spool time of a fully upgraded rhf3? How about the spool time of rhf4? Is it the same as rhf3?

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    3. Rizuan24 January 2016 at 18:33

      i dont think rhf3 can go any further that it is...there is a lot of types from rhf4...can u be more specific?

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    4. x3BurNFire27 January 2016 at 07:53

      People said smaller turbo such as rhf3 spool faster than bigger turbo, for example rhf4 and rhf5. So compared to rhf3, how fast rhf4 spool? Also it is said that twin scroll turbo also spool faster than normal turbo so twin scroll rhf3 spool faster than normal rhf3?

      What are those vq27 and vq37, are there different sizes of rhf3?

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    5. Rizuan8 February 2016 at 21:59

      for sure smaller turbo will spool faster than bigger turbo..its all depends on ur needs. vq term after ur turbo name is just to show in dept characteristic of ur turbo..nothing that ur eyes can spot the differences except maybe the flange.

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  2. Anonymous27 January 2016 at 07:51

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  3. Unknown5 February 2016 at 22:55

    Hi Sir
    My l6 Jb det auto 1st gear to 2nd gear need around 4500rpm only will change
    May i know how to solve this problem
    Tq

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    1. Rizuan8 February 2016 at 22:01

      light throttle or heavy throttle?..n may i know your rpm meter red line is at what rpm?

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    2. Unknown9 February 2016 at 02:09

      Hi Sir
      a. How to determine light or heavy trottle? While driving i feel the acceleration pedal bit a heavy.

      b. My rpm red line at 8000.

      MY HALF CUT L6 MOVE EF-RL
      1. ENGINE L6 TURBO 3 CYCLINDER
      2. TURBO CHANGE TO L9 -
      3. PIPING CHANGE FROM STD 1 INCH TO 1.5 INCH DUA TABUNG
      4. ADD IN COOLER FOR AUTO TRANSMISSION
      5 RIM 15 INCH

      Thank you and appreciated with your kind advise and guide.

      Regards
      George

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    3. Rizuan4 May 2016 at 13:01

      hi,

      its hard to determine by just reading. but of your gear changing in 4500rpm and your redline is 8000rpm. i think its normal for your engine maybe.

      where are you from sir?..maybe i can suggest you to visit reliable and knowledgeable workshop around your area?

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  4. Kambing gurun10 April 2016 at 01:41

    Boleh tahu kelebihan enjin l9 Dan perbezaan l9 n l6

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    1. Rizuan4 May 2016 at 12:58

      ape yang ada dalam post ni. itu sahaja yg saya tahu pasal perbezaan kedua2 enjin yg disebut.

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    2. Kambing gurun13 May 2016 at 19:39

      Tq. Sy pakai jbdet.

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    3. Kambing gurun13 May 2016 at 19:40

      Dari segi power n torque

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    4. Rizuan23 May 2016 at 20:57

      power dan torque pon ade dalam post kt atas :)

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    5. Anonymous9 October 2016 at 11:28

      sy baru plan tukar jb det.alasannya...enjin lebih baru dan moden...

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  5. Oly18 April 2016 at 10:53

    Hello there, do you how to modify RHF3 VQ38 into RHF3 VQ37 (twin scroll) into standard JBDET engine? what need to be replace or install?

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  6. Oly18 April 2016 at 10:54

    Hello there, do you how to modify RHF3 VQ38 into RHF3 VQ37 (twin scroll) into standard JBDET engine? what need to be replace or install?

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    1. Rizuan4 May 2016 at 12:55

      hi there, all you need are the turbo itself and turbo manifold that come with twin scroll turbo. its just pnp if you got that 2 items.

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    2. Unknown25 July 2017 at 02:32

      How do you mean pnp for the twin scroll turbo?

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    3. Rizuan13 August 2017 at 22:23

      Plug and play✌��

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  7. Kambing gurun8 June 2016 at 21:45

    Bos kat mana nak cari timing chain l9. N biasa berapa harga

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  8. Kambing gurun8 June 2016 at 21:45

    Bos kat mana nak cari timing chain l9. N biasa berapa harga

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  9. Rizuan23 July 2016 at 13:54

    timing chain L9?..boleh try tanye KP gasket..

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  10. Unknown26 July 2016 at 19:58

    JB - DET gasket kit and timing belt ada shop jual? Boleh bantu dapatkan address..

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    1. Rizuan26 July 2016 at 22:02

      JB-DET x gune timing belt. gasket kit boleh try search for "KP gasket" kt google.

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  11. ابو حازيق الامينى5 September 2016 at 12:36

    salam bro rizuan , saya guna jbdet L9 4 piston, sekarang ni ada leaking minyak gearbox, tak tahu kat mana, boleh bro bagi cadangan seal apa yang patut tukar

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    1. Rizuan26 December 2016 at 14:50

      Slalu nye flywheel oil seal die tangkap.. Skang sy pon mengalami masalah yg sama. Xde masa nk tukar lg.

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  12. Unknown21 October 2016 at 22:20

    Nice info bro. Thanks

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  13. Unknown8 November 2016 at 12:32

    salam bro rizuan , saya guna jbdet L9 4 piston, sekarang ni ada leaking minyak gearbox, tak tahu kat mana, boleh bro bagi cadangan seal apa yang patut tukar

    Slam bro.
    Boleh Cuba check flywheel oil seal, mungkin dh sampai hayat replacement.

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  14. Unknown8 November 2016 at 12:33

    salam bro rizuan , saya guna jbdet L9 4 piston, sekarang ni ada leaking minyak gearbox, tak tahu kat mana, boleh bro bagi cadangan seal apa yang patut tukar

    Slam bro.
    Boleh Cuba check flywheel oil seal, mungkin dh sampai hayat replacement.

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  15. Unknown16 March 2017 at 20:50

    saya pkai kelisa,enjin 1.0 gearbox paw..n then d tukar jb det 4piston (A)..enjin ni bole fight enjin storia 1.3 ke?minta pendapat kwn2

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    1. Rizuan1 April 2017 at 22:14

      hehe..depends on mod and 1.3 pye mod..

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  16. Jbdet newbie8 April 2017 at 00:20

    Slm..mcmne nk buang immo kt ecu..enjin jbdet xleh nk start

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    1. Rizuan13 August 2017 at 22:26

      Sorry..time saya swap jbdet..xde plak immobiliser kt kunci die..kunci besi biase je

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  17. Unknown28 June 2017 at 19:08

    Slm pecinta enjin daihatsu & salam en.Rizuan,
    saya ada beli 1 set enjin lantai L9 JB-DET utk d pasang kat kenari sya.

    Pertanyaan;
    Adakah L6 JB JL & L9 JB DET guna Timing Chain kits yg sama? Atau boleh guna Myvi? & Lastly Kat mana kedai local boleh order/beli?

    Tuan2 share ke email saya:
    heartday.john@gmail.com

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  18. zalie4 September 2017 at 06:09

    Nak tnya sy pkai kelisa 1.0 A. Plan nak tukar enjin jb-jl kwn punya.. soalannya xmnyesal ke nti tukar ke 660t sbb 1.0 mcm lg power.. ada sapa2 yg da tukar enjin masuk kelisa?

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    1. Rizuan4 September 2017 at 13:58

      Baik stick 1.0 atau kalau nk tukar pon naik 1.3 na or turbo..x berbaloi turun cc semate2 nk turbu

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    2. Unknown19 October 2017 at 02:00

      1.0 54hp, 660turbo 64 hp. Pikir2 la sendiri. Masing2 ada advantage, 660turbo mmg sesuai utk acceleration sebab dia 64hp, lepastu pakai close gear ratio gearbox. Tapi top speed hampeh la 120kmh kat 5.5k rpm kalau tak silap. Kalau enjin 1.0, pikap boleh la , top speed lagi sedap sebab gear 5 nya lagi panjang sikit . 120kmh kat rpm 4.5k kalau tak silap.senang cerita , 1.0 sedap main highway, 660 turbo sedap main acceleration

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    3. Unknown15 July 2019 at 23:28

      Nyesal x sudah..tpi enjin jb liat nk kondem

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  19. Unknown24 January 2019 at 11:22

    Bos,andai enjin jbjl,klu nak pakai turbo l9,just pnp atau kena modified?

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  20. Unknown15 July 2019 at 23:24

    Bos,jbdet can use jbjl timing chain & gasket?

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  21. ConsT Rayz24 October 2019 at 09:12

    Salam bro Ridzuan, sy pakai enjin l9 JB-Det, dah 1 tahun lebih pakai then, baru perasan dkt sambungan intercooler tu ada licking minyak. ape masalahnya tu ya? turbo standard rhf3. kene servis turbo ker?

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  22. ShahirRaus30 October 2019 at 19:17

    Assalam boss sy pakai kancil tukar halfcut L5 jbjl. Turbonya baru je tukar. Enjin sy dh kong, pomen suggest tukar ke enjin kosong L9. Pnp saja ke? Kalau dh masuk enjin L9 xpe ke pakai turbo L5? Nk kene tukar apa je ye? Terima kasih.

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